Source: http://www.ppc-mag.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6102&sid=87531a8b160616d9263eea6d35e2e70e
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from UK
seicento: swap rear mounted Honda VTR 1000 bike engine - 1000cc (UK)
" Little Salami " (!!!)
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from UK (CINQWORTH)
cinquecento: swap rear mounted cosworth YB turbo engine (UK)
320bhp ford cosworth engine, ( fully lightened and balanced internals and flywheel, low comp pistons, reversed swedish inlet man, t34 turbo, big charge cooler ) rear mounted to a cts stage 2+ escort rst gearbox with a solid plated three puck paddle clutch with hydraulic activation.
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Practical Performance Car
March 2006
Some engine swaps seem like obvious thing to do:
Ford Zetec into rear- wheel-drive Escort, 16-valvers into Pug 205s, VW 1.8T into old Golf GTIs and, obviously, Sierra Cosworth YB Turbos into Fiat Cinquecentos.
Actually that last one doesn't seem natural at all does it - well not to me anyway. I spend quite a lot of my time day-dreaming about which engines I could put in what cars, but putting a 320bhp Cosworth engine in the back of a Fiat Cinquecento has never occurred to me and, I suspect, it's never occurred to you either.
To Dave Pree though, it seemed like a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Dave's good friends with Stuart Meed, who owns the worlds fastest Mini - it has an Escort RS Turbo engine in the back of it. There's clearly something interesting in the water supply to Basildon in Essex.
The obvious question is why?'Well,'says Dive nonchalantly, 'my girlfriend wanted a Fiat Cinq and I had an RS Turbo engine going spare, so I thought it'd be a laugh to mate the two’.
“Then another friend of mine suffered an engine failure on his Sapphire Cosworth and asked me to rebuild the engine for him. But before I had a chance to do it he bought a new engine, so then i had a Cosworth YB going spare too.' Obvious really.
Dave was under no illusions about the scale of the project he was undertaking and started by completely stripping the little Fiat, ditching the 11OOcc engine and all the rear suspension. Then he set about Strengthening the car so It could handle 300-odd bhp, Bearing in mind that an 11OOcc Cinq does less than 90mph flat out and produces around 50bhp, this wasn't a question of the odd reinforcing plate here and there.
‘I have access to a tube bender at work, so i spent my evenings building a full cage for the car, which i welded Into the Fiat's chassis legs. Once I'd finished the cage I cut the floorpan out.'
Dave's cage included a large, tube cradle at the rear, into which he dropped the 2-litre Sierra Cosworth engine, mated to the gearbox from his spare Escort RS Turbo engine - a bolt together Job.
Ford helped here because the bellhousing bolt pattern it used means any four-pot engine from a Pre-Crossflow right up to a Zetec will mate to any Ford gearbox irrespective of whether 1ft front or rear-wheel-drive.
Shortened RS Turbo driveshafts take the drive to Fiesta front hubs which mourn, via Escort Mk 4 ball joints, to Dave's custom-made wishbones, while Fiesta-sou reed Gaz uprights with coll-over dampers support everything and mount directly on the cage.The front suspension is standard Fiat Cinquecento. although the struts have been modified to accept 2 1/4in springs, making spring selection much easier.Dave made himself an alloy fuel tank and fitted It in place of the Fiat's original engine, neatly filling the hole in what used to be the cars engine bay.As you've probably gathered by now, Dave's a pretty handy chap and makes light of most of what he's built. 'Most of it just fell together to be honest. Getting the clutch to work properly was probably the trickiest bit.' To get the Escort RS gearbox to change gear, Dave went through his stack of parts and found the gearstick assembly from a Vauxhall Astra. He mounted this on the Cinq's floor and ran some rods back to the RS gearbox. Despite the total parts mismatch and the fact thai the gearbox was now at the back of the car, Dave got It right first time.'It worked straight away. The only trouble Is that first and second are where fifth and reverse would normally be. which takes some getting used to. i thought about trying to mike a linkage that put all the gears in the right place but as it works, I decided not to bother changing it’ Dave solved his clutch problem by using a Mini slave cylinder along with a muter cylinder from a Sherpa van. then set about trying to ensure that the Cosworth engine got as much cool air as possible.'Having gone to die trouble of building the thing, i wanted to be able to run a lot of turbo boost and obviously, the more boost you run the hotter the intake charge gets.
So i used two alloy Sierra Cosworth intercoolers welded together and mounted them at the back of the engine bay at floor level. Then I built some scoops undernead to direct air Into them.'
With his pocket-sized monster ready to roll, Dave took advantage of the docks where he works for a spot of testing. Unfortunately the engine let go almost straight away.So Dave did the only honourable thing and rebuilt It to a higher spec.
Then he took mc car to a rolling road to get it mapped and see what It would make.
‘It was good for 320bhp at 22lbs of boost’,he says. The rolling road fella reckoned i could get more if I upped the boost but he said the intake temperature was getting very high and didn't want to chance it'.
Since then Dave's fitted a water cooled charge cooler to augment his two intercoolers and moved the air intake from inside the engine bay to the rear window,‘I reckon i could safely run more boost now, but 3 haven't had a chance to get to the rolling road yet' He has made it to Santa Pod’s drag strip, though.
‘I was hoping for a time in the 12 second region but fluffed the gearchange and only managed 13.5 secs.
And on the way there the wires to the alternator melted so I thought I'd better give it a rest'.
Having been in the car 3 can confirm that it accelerates like an Olympic athlete being chased by an official with a drug testing kit
Traction is excellent which is partly down to the RS Turbo gearbox having an LSD and partly a result of the engine's weight sitting over the driving wheels.
It stops as well as it goes too, with Fiat Punto GT discs and calipers at the front and Fiesta discs and Sierra Cosworth calipers at the back.
But the best thing about the" Cinquccento Cosworth Is the reaction it gets from other drivers. People just don't expect a car that looks very much like a standard baby Fiat to go this fast. Dave recently had a lot of fun tagging along to a run organized by a group of Impreza owners. "The Fiat at held its own-not one of them got past me. i enjoyed that more than they did.'
But Dave's had his fun with the little Cinq and is on to new projects. He's currently building a Mini with a spaceframed front end and a nitrous oxide fed Vauxhall XE twin-cam in the back. Plus an E36 BMW 3-series with a 5-iitre Ford V8. So the baby Fiat has to go.
If you fancy having some fun at your next local Impreza owners dub meet, call Dave on 07979 848511 and have around £4800 in your pocket.
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Cinqworth...step by step!
Source: http://www.fiatforum.com/garage_vehicle.php?do=view_vehicle&id=3228
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from UK
Cinquecento: swap mid engined V6 project...engine from Alfa Romeo V6 164 3.0
Model: Cinquecento Engine 3,000 cc
Power: 192 BHP
"I've been working on this car for several years now, having built a couple of bec's previously. I now have a demanding engineering job which doesn't leave me much time for building things...
It badly needs finishing (and driving!), but I think the only way thats realistically going happen is with a new owner.
The idea of putting a 3.0L Alfa V6 into a cinquecento was to build a group B inspired track day machine, built using sensibly priced parts. Hence the engine from an Alfa 164 - readily available, bucket loads of torque, sounds amazing but not inflated Cosworth/turbo Jap prices.
She's been built with a lot of thought and tlc, so its not a random cut 'n shut bodge job.
This is a one off machine with all the hard work done:
-custom cage in T45 steel, all TIG welded with widened suspension all round with care for roll centres, spring rates etc.
-ALfa V6 12v engine & box installed, with wiring figured out so its ready to be connected up and run! It would be possible to fit a 3.2 24V Alfa engine on the same mounts for an easy 240Bhp at a later date...!
-Stainless TIG welded exhuast system running "back to front" - exits from front bumber, with 3 x stainless silncer boxes built in. All mounted and done.
-Twin radiators up front with all stainless pipework fabricated.
-Mr2 cable gearshift mounted in fabricated aluminium box, mounted to shell. Other end has fabricated bellcranks made, so 90% of gearshift finished.
-Fabricated twin bias pedal box with hydraulic clutch cylinder, mounted to shell
-fabricated hydraulic fly off handbrake
-Corbeau Revolution seat (needs subframe)
-ATL foam filled race fual cell, mounted under bonnet
-Enkei 16" wheels on rear with good tyres
-MR2 mk3 15" wheels on front with brand new tyres
-widened bodywork - wheel arches cut out with new steel arches welded in. Widened bumpers. Requires some finishing.
-Support from me with anything you need to know until its finished!
Hundreds of hours of work have been put in, it needs bodywork completing & painting, then assmbly with a few minor bits of fabrication left to complete, but almost everything done and ready to bolt back together! Then some wiring, plumbing in brakes, clutch and fuel, and thats pretty much it!
pics here:
http://s1047.photobucket.com/albums/b480/mravilious/Project%20Cinq/
happy to answer any questions, car is stored in lock up in Edinburgh, veiwing possible and after that delivery negotiable.
Offers in eccess of a several thousand pounds please, and no time wasters - if I had lots of spare time I wouldn't be selling it! ;-)"
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